Low Testosterone Effects, Perks Of A Job & Training Hard – Marcus Edwards

Low Testosterone Effects, Perks Of A Job & Training Hard – Marcus Edwards

Are there benefits in doing intensity training? Are there drawbacks in getting a job or is getting a job purely beneficial? How does low testosterone levels impact life? On this episode of The New Helix Experience podcast, Tim Frey is joined by Marcus Edwards as they share about Low Testosterone Effects, Perks Of A Job & Training Hard.

You’ll Learn:

  • Do you think training intensity is important? Why do most people not train hard enough?
  • Pros & cons of having a job
  • How important is following the program for long term results?
  • Why is fitness the hardest industry in the world?
  • Is having low testosterone a problem?


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00:00:01 Speaker 1
All right, guys, we are on with an episode on the Helix experience. We have returning guest Marcus Edwards with us. Thanks for joining us, Marcus.

00:00:10 Speaker 2
Hey. Hello. It’s good to.

00:00:11 Speaker 1
Be back, I find myself slurring my words. I was like, am I losing my ****, man?

00:00:16 Speaker 1
Yeah, like, can you understand me?

00:00:17 Speaker 2
Well, it’s been a long. Yeah, I can understand you. It’s been a long time since I’ve done one of these as well.

00:00:21 Speaker 2
I’m I’m. I’ve been thinking about that all day preparing. Am I going to sew my words AM.

00:00:26 Speaker 2
I going to make sense.

00:00:27 Speaker 1
Yeah, I was like, just speak concisely. Tim, come on. Don’t **** it up for everyone. So I guess first topic I wanted to discuss *******.

00:00:34 Speaker 1
Just kick the power cord. That’s not going to kick out of me is like, do you think training intensity is important?

00:00:42 Speaker 2
Yes, the simple answer is yes. Yeah. Why?

00:00:46 Speaker 2
I think without training intensity.

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You put toe.

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More easily, like I recall back when I first started training and I thought I was training hard and.

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You get to a certain point and you feel like you’re not progressing beyond that and.

00:01:04 Speaker 2
The simple answer is just to increase intensity, especially that that early into your lifting career as well.

00:01:11 Speaker 1
What do you think like.

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How do you think you maximise training intensity and training hard?

00:01:18 Speaker 2
Maximising training intensity and training hard.

00:01:22 Speaker 2
I don’t think it’s going. It’s going hard every session, but not absolutely maxing out balls to the wall every session because there’s a component too.

00:01:31 Speaker 2
You know, recovering enough to be able to consistently do it.

00:01:35 Speaker 1
But like what? What do you think? Like for someone listening to this, if they’re like, alright, someone to train hard, how the **** do I train hard if someone doesn’t even know how to train harder?

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I feel like say you’ve got.

00:01:49 Speaker 2
Sets and Rep ranges, so you’re doing 3 by 12 dumbbell press or something like that. I would probably, you know, get to 12 and if you’re getting to 12 easily push for 131415, that’s probably the easiest way to start doing it. I wouldn’t necessarily.

00:02:05 Speaker 2
Jump the gun and say I’ll start increasing the weight because then you know you could drop from 12 reps to 8 and the volume might decrease quite a lot, but.

00:02:15 Speaker 2
You know typically with.

00:02:19 Speaker 2
Those sorts of high volume accessory movements you want to go to failure, so it’s just kind of you can increase the intensity by making sure you go.

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To failure.

00:02:28 Speaker 1
I think the issue.

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Is you don’t know what intensity is until.

00:02:31 Speaker 1
You felt it? Yes. Also yes.

00:02:33 Speaker 1
A lot of people think they’re training intensely and then they actually do, and they’re like, holy ****. So everyone that joins the.

00:02:38 Speaker 1
Gym is like ****.

00:02:39 Speaker 1
His intensity is is wild.

00:02:41 Speaker 1
Yeah, compared to what they used to, I saw a quote the other day and it said some guys right.

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And he was comparing like training in a functional fitness gym, like a group training gym to, like, investing in the S&P 500.

00:02:53 Speaker 1
Like index fund? Yeah, he’s like you just keep putting money in. Keep putting money in and you get the result because the intensity.

00:02:58 Speaker 1
Yeah, the programmes there and the the accountability is there and I think like the only reason I can train with mad intensity.

00:03:05 Speaker 2
As other people, yes.

00:03:06 Speaker 1
Otherwise, like I don’t know about you, but when I train on my own, I train like.

00:03:09 Speaker 1
*** **** compared to like me.

00:03:11 Speaker 2
Yeah, compared. Yeah. What I train like now with the community at the gym and everyone around me and the accountability.

00:03:18 Speaker 2
Of the coaches, yeah.

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Versus how I used to. Not that I didn’t.

00:03:21 Speaker 2
Train hard but.

00:03:23 Speaker 2
In the you know small group class functional fitness gyms.

00:03:29 Speaker 2
Yes, Sam.

00:03:31 Speaker 2
You do have that accountability from the coaches. The intensity is set.

00:03:35 Speaker 1
Yeah, it’s with the partners as well. Like when you trying someone else in the bar you.

00:03:39 Speaker 1
Don’t be the *****.

00:03:40 Speaker 1
You know, and and if you’re the leader you want.

00:03:42 Speaker 2
To lead. Yeah. And then you, you know, you go.

00:03:46 Speaker 2
You start pairing yourself with people that at a similar level to you, or maybe slightly stronger, and you want to keep up with them so you.

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Know you increase your intensity that way.

00:03:57 Speaker 2
Like if the rare occasion now that I come to a 5:30 AM class in the morning.

00:04:03 Speaker 2
And pair up with the boys or.

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Pair up with you.

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Mm-hmm. And it’s kind of like, yeah, we’re going ******* hard today. Well, ******, I’m in for.

00:04:08 Speaker 1
And sorry, you can’t get out of a.

00:04:10 Speaker 1
It you cannot get out.

00:04:11 Speaker 2
And like you said, you don’t want to be the big.

00:04:13 Speaker 1
Yeah, I think like this is a huge problem for a lot of people, like, yeah, they train and they work out and they do.

00:04:20 Speaker 1
They train to be healthy like they get it, but like training to get performance gains is like another thing like it’s it’s almost a different sport. You know what I mean?

00:04:27 Speaker 1
You go to like 247 June and two is banging out like cut the bench versus 3 by 10.

00:04:33 Speaker 1
Like *******, just piercing it in and then, you know, kind of leg presses, couple of bicep curls. That ain’t training for me. That’s that’s working out. There’s a ******* difference.

00:04:41 Speaker 2
And most people are. Yeah, most people are doing the the bare minimum to sort of get by to kind of cheque, that box that they’ve worked out that they’ve.

00:04:49 Speaker 2
Trained but.

00:04:52 Speaker 2
You know, having done it for a few years and the environment that we’re in and the environment that’s cultivated at Helix as well is that drive for performance and to keep increasing performance.

00:05:04 Speaker 2
And to do that, it’s like you have to keep stepping up. You have to keep going to you think you’re going 10 out of.

00:05:09 Speaker 2
10 go 11 out of 10 it’s.

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You’re continually pushing your intensity to get better.

00:05:15 Speaker 1
I agree. I actually like my ego. I kind of.

00:05:19 Speaker 1
I own a massive ego. If you don’t know.

00:05:21 Speaker 1
Listening to this podcast.

00:05:22 Speaker 1
But I made you go. Actually took a hit the other week. It was it was doing BJJ first lesson and I got tapped out by some 60K dude and I’m 97 kilos.

00:05:34 Speaker 1
This dude is 37 kilos less than me and he tapped me out like ******* 10 times in.

00:05:38 Speaker 1
Yeah. And I was like, oh, my God, there’s nothing that shows here you go, like in tapped out by a chick or something.

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So I went to the gym the next day. I didn’t even realise this was subconscious and I was just following the programme as we do and I actually.

00:05:51 Speaker 1
Followed the programme.

00:05:54 Speaker 2
That’s right, yeah.

00:05:54 Speaker 1
Do you know? Like I followed the percentages like I stuck to the percentages and if you don’t know me, you you probably like the foxiest guy on about.

00:06:02 Speaker 1
But I am the biggest ego lifter that has.

00:06:04 Speaker 1
Ever lived like there is no bigger ego lifter than me?

00:06:07 Speaker 1
The programme will say 10 by three at 70% and I’ll be doing 90% like maxing out my.

00:06:12 Speaker 1
Series and I went to the gym after that and I was like, something changed for me where I.

00:06:16 Speaker 1
Got my ego crushed.

00:06:18 Speaker 1
Yeah, and and the next day, my ego was like, crushed. So I thought, man, I may as well just stick to the programme.

00:06:22 Speaker 1
So ego lifting, so it was a ******* good thing for me. So last week I got through six sessions, hit my percentages. I felt fine at the.

00:06:30 Speaker 1
End of the week. Yeah, right.

00:06:32 Speaker 1
Yesterday I literally yesterday morning I finished set class and I was like **** there’s nine sessions for the week with BJJ and and I’m fine.

00:06:38 Speaker 2
Yeah. Well, nice Jesus.

00:06:39 Speaker 1
Right now, the first time in like.

00:06:41 Speaker 1
My life. Yeah, I don’t feel crushed on a Saturday. And I was like, that’s what you get when you follow the programme, ************.

00:06:46 Speaker 2
Well, that’s kind of telling me is.

00:06:47 Speaker 2
I’m still eager.

00:06:48 Speaker 1
Lifting percent you are. I’ve got. Mini me.

00:06:51 Speaker 2
Pulling up. So I mean well, you know, I had surgery a few weeks ago, so I’ve been off for a few weeks, but I came back on Monday and.

00:06:59 Speaker 2
It’s kind of this.

00:07:00 Speaker 2
Catch 22 between. You know, the doctor said. Yeah, you can start back with lightweight.

00:07:05 Speaker 2
And I’m like.

00:07:05 Speaker 2
Well, what’s light to you and what’s light to me? And then?

00:07:06 Speaker 1
Yeah. Teeth subjective. Yeah.

00:07:10 Speaker 2
But my body has recovered and it’s had three weeks to recover, so I feel like.

00:07:13 Speaker 1
I can push mentally body.

00:07:15 Speaker 1
Yeah, like heavy.

00:07:16 Speaker 2
Yeah. And I and I feel like I can push, but it’s kind of like the whole reason you shouldn’t be is.

00:07:20 Speaker 2
Because it’s post surgery swelling and that sort of thing. But you know, I thought I wasn’t going that heavy, but ego and ego lifting and my legs have been in tatters all week. So.

00:07:32 Speaker 1
Yeah, that’s a double edged sword there like obviously detrained a little bit as well.

00:07:36 Speaker 1
On top of it.

00:07:38 Speaker 1
But yes, people ask me like, what was marks in surgery for? I said he did too much cocaine and he he blew his deviated septum.

00:07:44 Speaker 2
Nice, yeah.

00:07:45 Speaker 1
So maybe that’s your explanation. Like what? What was the surgery?

00:07:48 Speaker 2
About yeah. So I have a I had a deviated septum and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had. No, no, no. I deviated septum and.

00:07:52 Speaker 1
Oh, you actually did.

00:07:54 Speaker 1
No. From cocaine.

00:07:58 Speaker 2
The right side of my nose, the airway was completely obstructed, so I did. Wasn’t any any air.

00:08:02 Speaker 2
Through that at all.

00:08:05 Speaker 2
And got out of the surgery and the surgeon came and spoke to me. And he goes, oh, you must have.

00:08:10 Speaker 2
You must have experienced some sort of trauma when you were younger or you were born with it and I was like, OK, yeah.

00:08:14 Speaker 1
Different kind of trauma.

00:08:16 Speaker 2
And I was like, what? What, what? What does he say? That? And he goes well, your septum, it wasn’t just deviated it.

00:08:20 Speaker 2
Was completely severed. It was in half, so there was half that was growing in half. That was just.

00:08:22 Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.

00:08:25 Speaker 2
Not. And I was like, huh? Well, that’s news to me. I couldn’t recall. You know, I’ve not been in any fights or anything.

00:08:31 Speaker 2
That you know, when I was younger or anything, but I don’t know how many soccer balls I might have taken to the face or.

00:08:36 Speaker 1
So so what’s the effect of it? Yeah. Like, what’s the negative effect on your performance if you didn’t get it fixed?

00:08:37 Speaker 2
Something so.

00:08:44 Speaker 2
I think it affected my sleep the most, so I would kind of most people just kind of lie down and go to sleep. They’ll be breathing through their nose. It’s all good. They’ll just nod off.

00:08:54 Speaker 2
I would lie down to go in bed to go to sleep and my nose would be completely blocked. So and the first thing that my GP, not the surgeon said to me was oh your mouth for eating and your noses were breathing.

00:09:06 Speaker 2
I said, well, no ******* ****. That’s why I’m here. I need. I want to get this sorted. Yeah, I was like, I do know that you’re supposed to breathe through your nose and.

00:09:09 Speaker 1
Do you eat through your nose?

00:09:14 Speaker 2
Not through your mouth like day-to-day. So that was probably where the biggest effect came in was it was affecting my sleep.

00:09:20 Speaker 2
Which you know, there’s a lot more going on in my sleep that I can fix.

00:09:24 Speaker 2
But that was kind of like the biggest one. And then that was affecting my performance in the sense that.

00:09:30 Speaker 2
How can you?

00:09:31 Speaker 2
Keep up the intensity day to day, week to week if you’re.

00:09:35 Speaker 2
Not recovering properly.

00:09:36 Speaker 1
Yeah. So in short, you were sucking. So about conditioning. You’re like, I need anything.

00:09:40 Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:41 Speaker 1
So you’re like, I’m going to affect this nose injury and that’s like three weeks like, yeah, you’re like, I just can’t do the erg. Yeah, like I’m just not fit enough from my breath.

00:09:43 Speaker 2
Yeah, just losing to all the boys and conditioning, yeah.

00:09:50 Speaker 2
I just can’t do the skate. I can’t do.

00:09:51 Speaker 2
This all bike keep cramping.

00:09:54 Speaker 1
Well, man, no excuses now. I can’t wait.

00:09:54 Speaker 2
Keep running out. Keep getting out of breath.

00:09:56 Speaker 1
To go back.

00:09:57 Speaker 1
Before and then see how you got like thought you ******* got surgery for this, bro. Come on.

00:10:01 Speaker 2
Well, yeah. I mean, we’re going back to the like training intensity thing. I saw Creed three last night. Yeah. Good movie, highly rec.

00:10:09 Speaker 2
And that, but in every creed movie, there’s obviously it’s the same as the rocky movies as like a training montage.

00:10:15 Speaker 2
And they’re gone. Crazy hard training and you just come out of that and you’re like, do I train hard? Do I train hard at all? So do I.

00:10:22 Speaker 2
Need to buy a skipping rope.

00:10:22 Speaker 1
Who was the dude?

00:10:23 Speaker 1
It was the the dude from Black Panther.

00:10:26 Speaker 2
Yes, Sir. Michael B Jordan. So he’s creed. He was Killmonger in the first Black Panther. Yeah. And then Jonathan Majors.

00:10:28 Speaker 1
Yeah, the best.

00:10:34 Speaker 1
How do you know that? How do you know that? Like what their character names are?

00:10:38 Speaker 2
Ohh cause I know the marvel stuff. Yeah, I’m nerd. Yeah. And then Jonathan Majors was the I guess you could say antagonist or villain in this creed.

00:10:38 Speaker 1
That’s nerd nerdy ****.

00:10:48 Speaker 2
What’s another thing that he is in the Marvel stuff at the moment as well? I’m trying to think of.

00:10:54 Speaker 2
I don’t think there’s anything else that I can recall that you you might know that he’s been in, but.

00:10:59 Speaker 2
They’re both huge. They’re both jacked. Yeah, absolutely. It’s one.

00:11:03 Speaker 1
Hollywood natural.

00:11:05 Speaker 2
Yeah, there’s one scene where, OK, so if for anyone that’s listening has done a rope climb, knows that rope climbs.

00:11:10 Speaker 2
Are ******* hard.

00:11:11 Speaker 2
Yeah, they are not easy. Yeah. So there’s a scene in Creed 3 not gonna ruin anything else.

00:11:16 Speaker 1
But spoiler alert spoiler alert.

00:11:19 Speaker 2
There’s two ropes, yeah.

00:11:20 Speaker 2
Right. And he’s rope climbing one hand on each rope, no legs, just ******* launching himself up. And then he essentially starts muscle upping on the top.

00:11:32 Speaker 1
Sure, it’s real.

00:11:33 Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. That, like, he’s huge.

00:11:35 Speaker 1
Like, yeah, I get it. But you are the harder it is.

00:11:36 Speaker 2
These guys get paid to train, yeah.

00:11:39 Speaker 2
I don’t know. Like they’re probably they’d. They’d probably be even shredded as they are probably close to, I’d say 100 kilos.

00:11:49 Speaker 2
Like probably what they’re probably 6 foot something.

00:11:51 Speaker 1
Dark Boy genetics though.

00:11:52 Speaker 2
Yeah. And it’s it’s a good.

00:11:53 Speaker 1
Are they both dark?

00:11:55 Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it’s. And it’s a really, really good.

00:11:57 Speaker 2
Movie as well talking.

00:12:00 Speaker 1
Scared of saying the word black?

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So why do you think?

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Most people don’t train hard enough.

00:12:09 Speaker 2
I think you said earlier they don’t know what training hard is like there and there’s a sense that like even before I joined Helix when I was going to a commercial gym.

00:12:20 Speaker 2
Like you mentioned, with the partners thing.

00:12:23 Speaker 2
When you’re training on your own versus when you’re training with a partner is a lot different.

00:12:27 Speaker 2
And a lot of people that are going to commercial gyms, some of the A, a lot of them are, but there’s a lot that just training on their own.

00:12:33 Speaker 2
They don’t know how to push. I’ve seen first hand a lot of PTS in the industry as well that don’t necessarily put.

00:12:41 Speaker 2
Which people?

00:12:43 Speaker 1
That’s what they look like.

00:12:44 Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah, and. But they’re also dealing with a really wide client base, like they’ll have someone who’s.

00:12:49 Speaker 1
Ohh, I mean like the PT.

00:12:50 Speaker 2
Themself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they just don’t know what intensity is.

00:12:55 Speaker 1
Is. Yeah. And then they hide behind like the whole, like science thing. Like you shouldn’t train hard because you’re going to over train.

00:13:01 Speaker 1
And I don’t train hard because I’m stressed anyway and you know insert excuse about why they don’t.

00:13:06 Speaker 2
Train. Yeah. But then I’m kind of curious is there if there?

00:13:11 Speaker 2
Because I feel like if you take someone.

00:13:12 Speaker 2
That’s new to the gym, into working out and you throw into Helix, I mean, quite a few of them are stuck around and they’ve gotten great results because of that, but some for themselves in such like so much the deep end.

00:13:26 Speaker 2
That they they suffer and they drown because of the intensity is way too high and they put themselves off.

00:13:31 Speaker 2
Put themselves off.

00:13:31 Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Feel like I’m so sore. I’ve had people, like, do one.

00:13:34 Speaker 1
Session a week.

00:13:35 Speaker 1
And they just can’t, like, get recovered, right?

00:13:35 Speaker 2
Yeah. Whereas if you, you know, you, you kind of follow the trajectory.

00:13:40 Speaker 2
Did it.

00:13:40 Speaker 2
I guess we and a lot of the other people at.

00:13:42 Speaker 2
The gym have.

00:13:43 Speaker 2
You kind of, you know you. You’re a little bit athletic and then you’ve done a sport, but then the sport ends cause you get a bit older. So you go to the commercial gym train.

00:13:51 Speaker 2
On your own, you might train with a partner.

00:13:54 Speaker 2
Yet somewhat fit and strong. And then you join, you know, functional fitness gym.

00:13:57 Speaker 1
That’s the that’s the typical trajectory here.

00:13:59 Speaker 2
Yeah. And then, but then you’re you’re accustomed to working out stuff and then when?

00:14:04 Speaker 2
You find out the.

00:14:07 Speaker 2
That you don’t actually train hard. Yeah, and intensity can be way more. Yeah. You feel, I guess.

00:14:14 Speaker 2
You feel more inclined to want to do it again because at by that point you’re already enjoying the gym enough to be like, yeah, I like the pain. I like the suffering. I like the benefit that I’m getting from it.

00:14:25 Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah, I agree with all those points. I remember my second year of being a PT. How was it like a 247 gym?

00:14:32 Speaker 1
And I was talking to one.

00:14:33 Speaker 1
Of the other PTS.

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And I was like, I don’t know why I’m not putting on size. I’m like, ******* 19 or something. Like literally like hormones through the roof, dude, like a constant *****.

00:14:45 Speaker 1
And and then I remember she was like you just don’t train hard and I.

00:14:49 Speaker 1
Was like oh.

00:14:51 Speaker 1
Yeah, absolute stab to the stomach. Like it felt like a knife went in. And from that point I was like, Nah, **** this *****.

00:14:58 Speaker 1
I am gonna train hard and I’ll show you. And I just hit some bodybuilding programme gained like 10 kilos or something in a year.

00:15:04 Speaker 1
Like 12 months going ham.

00:15:04 Speaker 2
Yeah, rough.

00:15:07 Speaker 1
And then after that point, I was like, I’m going to train hard and then it was.

00:15:10 Speaker 1
It’s like, you know, an inevitable increase. But, you know, in summary.

00:15:16 Speaker 1
I feel like.

00:15:18 Speaker 1
People don’t train now because they don’t know.

00:15:21 Speaker 1
Well, hard, hard. It actually is. And to get exposed to it is hard to do as well, yeah.

00:15:22 Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah.

00:15:27 Speaker 2
And I mean you mentioned that you started BJJ before and I’m sure you’d attest to saying that.

00:15:33 Speaker 2
Intensity varies between different sports and different different types of training as well, like what you’d perceive as intense in a functional fitness gym would be.

00:15:37 Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.

00:15:43 Speaker 2
You know you’re lifting heavy, you’re lifting high volume, you’re throwing yourself into conditioning, going balls to the wall. But then yeah, I’ve tried BJJ in the past as well. It’s yeah, but it’s so intense. It’s still like, intense.

00:15:53 Speaker 1
Not that hard.

00:15:55 Speaker 1
Yeah, it’s not. It’s hard. Yeah. Yeah. When you’re rolling, it’s intense with the rest of it’s not because, like, you’re just white belt mentality. You’re freaking out. You know, it’s getting pinned.

00:15:58 Speaker 2
Yes, yes.

00:16:02 Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Adrenaline’s just really.

00:16:05 Speaker 1
Yeah. Last week at the end of the week, I was like, alright, cool. I’m not like super new now, so I kinda it just got easier.

00:16:11 Speaker 1
You know, I could control myself. So yeah, I only got tapped twice last week at the end, like the end of the week, which is ******* huge for me from like 10 times, you know? Yeah. Couple weeks before.

00:16:21 Speaker 1
So you know, I have a lot of, well, a lot of people that listen to this either work for someone or they work for themselves.

00:16:28 Speaker 1
Marks and I probably. Oh, yeah. Everyone. Everyone always says that I must be nice to own a gym or must be nice to have all the freedom that you do.

00:16:38 Speaker 1
And it’s funny because it’s so far from the truth of actually like how it goes. Like my life. Angel gets ******* crazy and you know, I guess we’re other end of the spectrum.

00:16:48 Speaker 1
I wanted to open up the debate with you like pros and cons of having a job versus having a business.

00:16:52 Speaker 1
Yeah. So I’ll start with you. So we’re the pros of, you know, working for someone or working for the Gov.

00:17:00 Speaker 2
I would say that it’s like.

00:17:03 Speaker 2
Well, you have a wage. Yeah, it’s consistent money. It’s consistent work workloads can change, but you typically know where the ceiling is for your workload.

00:17:15 Speaker 2
Whereas perhaps your experience.

00:17:19 Speaker 2
Perhaps more so when you’re building the gym and building the business as opposed to the position it’s in now you know it’s not a consistent wage, it’s not consistent money in your pocket, it’s.

00:17:30 Speaker 2
You you don’t know where the ceiling is for your workload because you’re consistently trying to make it better, bigger, better.

00:17:38 Speaker 1
Yeah, it never.

00:17:39 Speaker 2
Stops. No, it doesn’t. But. And I would say that.

00:17:43 Speaker 2
Having a job working for someone else, obviously depending on what kind of industry you’re.

00:17:49 Speaker 2
In as well.

00:17:49 Speaker 2
But compared to owning your own business, I think there’s a lot more security.

00:17:54 Speaker 1
Yeah, for.

00:17:55 Speaker 1
Or you can get lines either.

00:17:55 Speaker 2
Involved. Yeah, you get loans and you’ve got.

00:17:58 Speaker 2
Like you know.

00:17:59 Speaker 2
Paid leave and that sort of thing. So it’s like, yeah, and see pay. And you can you can take that and you can use that or it’s like you own a business you don’t work, you don’t get paid.

00:18:08 Speaker 1
Yeah. Bottom line, yeah, it depends on the business. Yeah, it depends on what the setup is, I guess, like the pros of of having a business is like you can design your own life can.

00:18:20 Speaker 1
But to get to the level where you are designing your own life takes.

00:18:23 Speaker 1
A long time.

00:18:24 Speaker 1
Yeah, like five years plus.

00:18:26 Speaker 1
Before that you were a.

00:18:27 Speaker 1
Slave to it.

00:18:28 Speaker 1
Yeah. So like working especially little talk fitness like coaching every class, answering every email, doing every social media post, like managing every team member like it’s ******* grim.

00:18:37 Speaker 2
Yeah, it’s like. And then I guess that’s where that’s where the choice is. It’s like, what would you rather be a slave to?


Just stop.

00:18:44 Speaker 2
Would you rather be a slave to that, with the prospect that in maybe five plus years you can be designing your life how you want it, or like some people I know, do you want to be a slave to?

00:18:56 Speaker 2
Working for someone else, you know, for the position I’m in. Working for government. We do.

00:19:03 Speaker 2
Important work, but it can sometimes be compared to other jobs in other industries. Quite chill. Yeah. And there’s a lot of incentives to working for government because they want to attract people to come and work for government.

00:19:18 Speaker 2
I forget where I was going with that, but it’s kind of like.

00:19:21 Speaker 2
You know.

00:19:23 Speaker 2
Yeah, no.

00:19:24 Speaker 2
What you said?

00:19:25 Speaker 1
Like being a slave to it is the right way to sell, you know like.

00:19:27 Speaker 2
No, no.

00:19:29 Speaker 1
I’m a slave to my businesses as well. They’re just not run by the government, but the government. The government is a 30% stakeholder in my business.

00:19:38 Speaker 1
Yeah, because they get paid the ******* hectic jacks.

00:19:38 Speaker 2
Yes, tax yeah.

00:19:42 Speaker 2
But that’s kind of like you make make the decision, cause that’s where I’m going.

00:19:45 Speaker 1
Technically you make the decision, but yeah, they always have a say in it. They control your decisions.

00:19:51 Speaker 2
To yeah, to a large degree, yeah.

00:19:54 Speaker 1
We’re all. It’s basically the same thing really.

00:19:57 Speaker 2
I guess it just depends on what you want to do.

00:19:59 Speaker 1
You get you get paid by the government. I get paid by my clients and that that’s yeah, I guess that’s the.

00:20:04 Speaker 1
Difference. Yeah would be the cons. The other cons of working.

00:20:11 Speaker 1
As a job.

00:20:13 Speaker 2
Cons for a job is yours.

00:20:15 Speaker 2
You’re always answering to someone, I suppose.

00:20:18 Speaker 2
It can.

00:20:20 Speaker 2
It can at times become monotonous and.

00:20:25 Speaker 2
Like the same old ****. And I’m not saying that you’re not. You don’t experience that when you have a run.

00:20:33 Speaker 2
Business, but you have.

00:20:36 Speaker 2
Less control over your working life in the in the tense sense of.

00:20:43 Speaker 2
What you’re doing and how much it varies, you know, if you own a business, depending on what industry that you’re in, there’s takes a lot more work, but.

00:20:52 Speaker 2
You can expand, you can, you know, think of different avenues to pursue within that industry or you can branch your business out to different industries.

00:21:02 Speaker 2

00:21:04 Speaker 2
And I think not, not that I’ve ever owned a business, but I would think that.

00:21:08 Speaker 1
You can’t just quit and give.

00:21:09 Speaker 1
Four weeks notice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:12 Speaker 1
Yeah, that’s that’s the other one. That’s huge.

00:21:15 Speaker 1
And then, like, yeah, what about?

00:21:16 Speaker 1
Have you heard the concept of entrepreneurship, intrapreneurship?

00:21:20 Speaker 1
Yeah. So you could have someone essentially like the girls at the gym where they work part time.

00:21:25 Speaker 1
To me, get a nice wage and then they can do their own thing on the side through the business or they can do their own thing through them.

00:21:32 Speaker 1
So they have all the perks of being an employee with all the perks of running your own thing as well.

00:21:39 Speaker 1
So there’s two sides to it. So I think like entrepreneurship is becoming more popular as Steph has a bunch in her programme as well.

00:21:46 Speaker 1
Work for her and then they run their own business.

00:21:47 Speaker 1
On the side, so they get best of both worlds.

00:21:50 Speaker 1
Super Sick Pay holiday pay those types of things and then they can have the freedom and creative expression of all the things you’re talking about, which I assume is like what having a job lax.

00:22:03 Speaker 1
Yeah, the cons of having a business is like there’s a lot of pressure. You know, like you’re you’re constantly, like, feeding people essentially, you know, like you, you get paid last. Always.

00:22:15 Speaker 1
So like the staff, the clients, the tax man, literally everyone eats before you do, which is kind of crazy because you’re running.

00:22:25 Speaker 2
Yeah, it’s your your thing, yeah.

00:22:25 Speaker 1
Yeah, it’s, it’s your thing and you.

00:22:27 Speaker 1
Get paid last.

00:22:27 Speaker 2
Yeah. And then contrary to.

00:22:30 Speaker 2
How I’ve seen some people believe your life is is it’s like you’re working.

00:22:34 Speaker 2
A lot more, yeah.

00:22:35 Speaker 2
You’re working a lot more and it’s like never.

00:22:37 Speaker 1
Ending. Yeah, 100.

00:22:38 Speaker 1
Percent. Yeah, some people think I do nothing. I’m like.

00:22:41 Speaker 2
Concept of a weekend. Throw it out the window. Yeah, I know. I guess that’s a bit. That’s a pro to kind of a Monday to Friday.

00:22:46 Speaker 1
Jobs. Yeah. Yeah. Weekends. Yeah, every weekend. You know, I worked all weekend this weekend, like, ******* 8 hours a day, Saturday and Sunday. And it is 2:00 PM on Sunday. We’re recording a podcast. Yeah, for the business.

00:22:50 Speaker 2
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

00:22:57 Speaker 1
So yeah, I think that one was done to death not done to death, but everyone gets it. There are pros and cons of both.

00:23:06 Speaker 1
Just depends at which stage.

00:23:07 Speaker 2
Of life. You’re at. Entrepreneurship definitely does sound very attractive to me, and I can’t recall the name of the business, but I think it’s a bank.

00:23:18 Speaker 2
I saw on LinkedIn or or something other they were voted the number one best place to work in Australia or something like that and they encourage they have a four day work week so that everyone gets a three day weekend and they encourage their employees to go seek further education, take you know, work part time and use.

00:23:39 Speaker 2
Part of their work time to further their education. Or you know, you know, create a business or run a business. And it’s kind of like, I think the more.

00:23:49 Speaker 2
The more we trend in that direction, probably the better.

00:23:52 Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, I think it.

00:23:53 Speaker 1
Would be definitely good to keep employees happier long term.

00:23:57 Speaker 1
And it’s funny you just raise a point. It’s like what a lot of people think your lifestyle is. Why do you think that’s a problem for some people if they think someone like me doesn’t work much and obviously just reap all the rewards as an entrepreneur?

00:24:10 Speaker 1
Because there’s there’s a thing out.

00:24:11 Speaker 1
There where like people get ****** about.

00:24:13 Speaker 2
That stuff, not because they’re, it’s probably just comes down to them being miserable where they are.

00:24:19 Speaker 2
They kind of.

00:24:19 Speaker 1
Like that I get that look so often. It’s like it’s interesting to bring up on the podcast cause people are like they get pierced when they think other people.

00:24:26 Speaker 1
Are doing well and doing nothing for it.

00:24:27 Speaker 2
Yeah. Well, it’s kind of like it’s like they’re they’re comparing themselves and they’re going, oh, why? Why don’t I have that?

00:24:33 Speaker 2
Why don’t I drive that? Why aren’t I living there? And it’s kind of like, well, have you put in 80 hours a week for 10 years with, you know, there no break? You know what I mean? Have you gone through periods of your working life?

00:24:37 Speaker 1
And put them back.

00:24:47 Speaker 2
Where you’ve paid everyone else but yourself.

00:24:49 Speaker 2
You know.

00:24:50 Speaker 2
And it’s like probably no, they haven’t. I haven’t, you know.

00:24:52 Speaker 1
There’s because there’s, there’s.

00:24:53 Speaker 1
Like the, there’s no overnight success thing. No same thing. No. People like they see the the Nice car and the Nice house and the beautiful wife and the you.

00:25:01 Speaker 1
Know those things?

00:25:01 Speaker 1
And they’re like, oh, yeah, that’s all.

00:25:03 Speaker 1
He did was start.

00:25:04 Speaker 2
A gym and it’s another rabbit hole. But that’s where.

00:25:07 Speaker 2
I think social media is.

00:25:08 Speaker 1
So toxic. Yeah, it’s.

00:25:09 Speaker 2
Gross. It’s because you’re fed all this like influencer ******** and.

00:25:16 Speaker 2
You know all these nice cars and all these people, all these nice things and it’s.

00:25:20 Speaker 2
Kind of like like I I’ve fallen prey to it.

00:25:23 Speaker 2
You just think that there’s some sort of silver bullet, some sort of overnight excess, because that that look, there are cases of people that have overnight success, but they’re they’re the one in a billion, they’re the one in 100 million. It’s like it just doesn’t happen.

00:25:37 Speaker 2
Like that in the real.

00:25:38 Speaker 1
World. Yeah, 100% and the the other funny one is people that they message me and they be.

00:25:43 Speaker 1
Why don’t you come hang out at the gym in the other like? And I’m like bro.

00:25:47 Speaker 1
I at work.

00:25:50 Speaker 1
13 years. Yeah. It’s my afternoon off. And you want me to come and sit there?

00:25:52 Speaker 1
Hmm. Yeah, it’s like it’s. I also have to.

00:25:57 Speaker 1
Have a.

00:25:58 Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just don’t get that either. Yeah.

00:26:03 Speaker 2
The Joyce the Joyce.

00:26:05 Speaker 1
The joys of my inbox.

00:26:07 Speaker 1
All right. We’re going to talk programmes here.

00:26:10 Speaker 1
Marcus, how important.

00:26:11 Speaker 1
Do you think it is to follow a programme for long term results?

00:26:14 Speaker 2
I think it’s the Foundation 2 results. Think without a programme you just going into it blind.

00:26:20 Speaker 2
And you might get some results here and there, but long term results they’d come from.

00:26:26 Speaker 2
You know, we can go back to the basics of consistency and progressive overload and all those concepts that people have heard over and over, but.

00:26:34 Speaker 2
Following a programme is.

00:26:37 Speaker 2
It’s like the bottom line for getting long term results, yeah.

00:26:42 Speaker 1
It would surprise you to know that I didn’t follow programme for like the first five years in in fitness.

00:26:46 Speaker 1
I’d just go and do chess day, back day, day, late day like that myself. It was like literally didn’t track anything. Yeah.

00:26:49 Speaker 2
Did the science did the science?

00:26:53 Speaker 1
Just went in there, had a hard session so to speak, and when I felt like I.

00:26:56 Speaker 2
Was done. I was done. Well, I kind of I did it step further than that. I wrote stuff down, but I.

00:27:02 Speaker 2
Didn’t have the knowledge or didn’t do anything with what I’ve written down afterwards. It was kind of like, OK, I wrote it down. I’ll go. I’ll add weight next week and go more but like.

00:27:14 Speaker 2
That works to a certain degree, but that’s not a programme. That’s just, you know.

00:27:19 Speaker 2
That’s just.

00:27:21 Speaker 2
You know, you’re kind of doing a little bit more.

00:27:23 Speaker 2
Than going in.

00:27:23 Speaker 2
Blind. But into it. Yeah, but you you know what? What do you increase? You increase reps, you increase weight. It’s like, you know.

00:27:31 Speaker 2
If you I’m, I can’t. I’m not gonna do the maths in my head super quick, but it’s like, you know, if you’re doing three sets of eight at a certain weight.

00:27:39 Speaker 2
And three sets of 12 that are lighter weight. You times all the volume and the weight together. It could be the exact same number.

00:27:45 Speaker 2
So it’s like you think you’re going heavier or you think you’re doing more, but you’re not.

00:27:49 Speaker 1
Keeping one variable the same like all the variables besides one is the most important.

00:27:53 Speaker 1
Thing increase reps or increases weight. It’s the easiest way.

00:27:57 Speaker 1
But the point I was getting at here was.

00:28:01 Speaker 1
I know a lot of people.

00:28:03 Speaker 1
Especially fitness. They don’t see any value in following.

00:28:05 Speaker 1
A programme.

00:28:06 Speaker 1
So they’ll go in and, you know, at a gym and functional fitness gym would be a whiteboard workout and.

00:28:12 Speaker 1
At a normal gym it would be like we just said and I think like a key point that people are missing here is if you kind of evaluate your results and you can’t evaluate what you’re doing, it’s really hard to know.

00:28:22 Speaker 1
If you’re progressing.

00:28:23 Speaker 1
Yeah, one of the key reasons why we have quite a lot of successful people at the gym is like the testing weeks.

00:28:31 Speaker 1
As they are.

00:28:32 Speaker 1
Like the ultimate mirror? Like your. No height. You know, we’ve both been through plenty of them where we know we were going backwards and it’s not a great feeling, but it’s like a a necessary evil, so to speak for.

00:28:35 Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:41 Speaker 2
Yeah. No, it’s not.

00:28:46 Speaker 1
Training just, I guess the whole point for somewhere like we train is like.

00:28:50 Speaker 1
It is a performance based place.

00:28:51 Speaker 2
Yeah. Well, it’s like the I think it was a few weeks ago now. The Facebook post that you put in the the Helix Gym group, it’s kind of like it might have been the last testing week or talking about the one that’s coming up shortly.

00:29:03 Speaker 2
Kind of like look testing week. We’re going to have fun. We’re going to lift heavy.

00:29:07 Speaker 2
We get all gonna go for PB. Everyone’s gonna get around.

00:29:10 Speaker 2
Each other but.

00:29:12 Speaker 2
It’s going to show whether you’ve committed the 12 weeks prior. Yeah, it’s going to show how consistent you’ve been. How?

00:29:19 Speaker 2
How much you prioritise training, recovery, nutrition, all of it and it’s like. And if you’re setting up your expectations to get crazy results and PB week, but you’ve not put in the work 12 weeks prior following the programme, you know, ensuring that that foundation is there, then you’re going to go bust.

00:29:37 Speaker 1
It’s funny because I feel like I’ve put.

00:29:38 Speaker 1
In the work.

00:29:39 Speaker 1
Yeah, for this cycle, but I feel like I’m not going to, like, get any gains.

00:29:45 Speaker 1
I’m like, what do I put it down to? It’s because our.

00:29:46 Speaker 1
Programme helped like a little **** age.

00:29:49 Speaker 1
Yeah, I’m not gonna make that excuse. It’s cause I was, like, jumping around programmes. Yeah. I was, like, doing the only one. And there was.

00:29:55 Speaker 2
Yeah, well, that and then let’s also consider the fact that the would you say like three weeks or a month now you’ve thrown in.

00:29:55 Speaker 1
Doing the now.

00:30:02 Speaker 2
Brazilian Brazilian jujitsu as well.

00:30:05 Speaker 2
So it’s like, yeah, I guess that’s more training volume, stuff like that, but that’s different stimuli.

00:30:10 Speaker 2
And it’s, you know.

00:30:12 Speaker 2
It’s going to perhaps, you know, affect how you lift in the gym or the energy you have available to recover and all that. Yeah, all those kind of nuances.

00:30:20 Speaker 1
I remember the last testing when you got put up 100 killer military press and I was like.

00:30:25 Speaker 1
I don’t think I could beat that.

00:30:26 Speaker 2
Yeah, like ever. Well, there’s lifts that I have hit 18 months ago that I’ve not got anywhere near again.

00:30:32 Speaker 2
Yeah. And it’s not, it’s not that I won’t ever beat them, but it’s kind of like I get it.

00:30:36 Speaker 2
I guess it is the biggest ego crusher in the sense that holy ****, I need to go backwards to go forwards again. Yeah, you know, like I.

00:30:44 Speaker 2
And it was 152 1/2 front squat a year and a half ago. I’ve got nowhere ******* near that.

00:30:49 Speaker 1
******* buried with that now.

00:30:52 Speaker 1
Yeah. Then I’ve been thinking about this.

00:30:54 Speaker 1
Heaps I’m like.

00:30:55 Speaker 1
Is it actually possible to go up in all?

00:30:57 Speaker 1
Lifts every time.

00:31:00 Speaker 2
Well, that’s a loaded question. I don’t, yeah.

00:31:02 Speaker 1
Yeah, I know. But like training, let’s say, if you’re training hard five days a week, I would argue that’s too much like like going super hard in the number.

00:31:11 Speaker 2
Yeah, I’ve trained.

00:31:12 Speaker 1
Six days a week. But like I’m not.

00:31:13 Speaker 1
Going specifically hard or straight or running, but like can you improve squat, deadlift, bench, front, squat, military press, ******, clean, jerk. You know, in the same programme.

00:31:15 Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:31:25 Speaker 1
Every 12 weeks, like can you offer it like literally on your body? I haven’t seen anyone complete a 12 week programme six days a week and haven’t missed a day. Never.

00:31:35 Speaker 2
Yeah. Never ever. No. Yeah, it was a miss a day, no.


Have you?

00:31:39 Speaker 1
So even our most consistent like members like they’ll go on holiday and they’ll take a weekend off and then they’ll take four days off. So I’ve never seen anyone complete a programme fully. The point I’m trying to get out here.

00:31:46 Speaker 2
Yeah, no.

00:31:49 Speaker 1
I I almost feel like it’s physically impossible to complete an entire cycle 100%. Yeah, and go up in every lift.

00:31:56 Speaker 2
Yeah, no, I agree.

00:31:59 Speaker 2
And I think I think training age comes into it in the sense that people that have a lower training age, they’re fairly new to it, they can get away with.

00:32:07 Speaker 2
Not for not missing a few sessions here and there. Yeah, and they’ll get the testing week and they’ll increase everything because they’ve not reached their potential yet whereas.

00:32:07 Speaker 1
Missing ****, yeah.

00:32:14 Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.

00:32:18 Speaker 2
From my experience where I’m at now having trained for 7-8 years now and been at Helix for nearly four.

00:32:26 Speaker 2
Well, that’s a long time.

00:32:28 Speaker 1
Sorry, your co-host broke.

00:32:29 Speaker 2
Yeah, it’s.

00:32:30 Speaker 1
Get the tat, you.

00:32:31 Speaker 1
Get on the.

00:32:31 Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah.

00:32:32 Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. But you know, it’s kind of like I need to consistently follow the programme if I want to increase three out of five lives and it’s always like.

00:32:40 Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.

00:32:44 Speaker 2
The degree by which you increase some changes as well, so it’s kind of I won’t add 10 kilos to a bench press. I’ll add two and.

00:32:51 Speaker 1
Half. Yeah, that’s a win.

00:32:53 Speaker 2
Yeah. And that’s a win and that’s a that’s a hard thing to wrap your head around.

00:32:57 Speaker 2
Is because not only do you have.

00:32:58 Speaker 1
I just died. You’re adding 20.

00:33:00 Speaker 2
You’re adding 20, adding thirty. I mean what? I think someone had.


For 12 weeks.

00:33:02 Speaker 1
Had that.

00:33:03 Speaker 1
Had sixty once to a deadlift like 100 to 160.

00:33:06 Speaker 1
In 12 weeks? Yeah, that’s ******. Yeah, and it’s.

00:33:10 Speaker 2
Yeah. And it’s kind of and you’ve got people around you as well that are adding 2030 kilos and you know and then you’ve got someone that’s been more consistent than you.

00:33:19 Speaker 2
Adding that kind of stuff and then you kind of have to Curb Your expectations to say?

00:33:23 Speaker 2
That OK. You know, I am kind of reaching the maximum to what I could do.

00:33:28 Speaker 2
With with my body weight, with my lifestyle, whatever else you know.

00:33:34 Speaker 2
A A kilo increase is a win. It’s your absolute maximum like it’s your 110% a kilo added onto that as a win.

00:33:40 Speaker 1
Remind me to come back to the lifestyle.

00:33:43 Speaker 1
What I was.

00:33:43 Speaker 1
Thinking was I.

00:33:44 Speaker 1
Think you could do like an Ollie cycle and hold on to the strength stuff, but I think you could hold on to bench and military like relatively close.

00:33:53 Speaker 1
To where it was.

00:33:54 Speaker 1
And then I think you could do like a powerlifting bodybuilding cycle and hold on to the.

00:33:58 Speaker 2
Olly yeah, that would be.

00:33:59 Speaker 1
And that way you could like level it up, but it’s going to take six months to.

00:33:59 Speaker 2
Great. Yeah.

00:34:03 Speaker 1
Level up both.

00:34:04 Speaker 1
Yeah. And then you’re gonna have to hold on to it and then do that again. Yeah. Like, I think that’s a realistic way of doing it.

00:34:10 Speaker 1
It’s very long.

00:34:11 Speaker 1
What we’re talking about here is like talk about gaining 2 1/2 kilos on the lift every six months. That’s *******, like, not a lot. Yeah, in this game of things.

00:34:18 Speaker 2
No, it’s not though.

00:34:20 Speaker 1
The lifestyle thing I also was like I’m I’m that’s turning 32 in May and I was like, I’m not young anymore and I thought to myself like I run three businesses I.

00:34:34 Speaker 1
******* like stressed to the **** at work like.

00:34:37 Speaker 1
12 hours A.

00:34:38 Speaker 1
Day I sleep like 7 hours a night.

00:34:39 Speaker 1
Just. Yeah. And a wife. Yeah. Dogs. I got, like, 14 staff members. Like, yeah, the board. And like, how realistic is me for me to be a ******* weapon in the gym and train one hour a day, six days a week and then jitsu times, like, am I just doing good?

00:34:55 Speaker 1
Like enough? Yeah. Or like, should I be expecting myself to just push more and and, you know, ******* deadlift 250 and squat 250 and like, is that realistic for me and my lifestyle?

00:35:05 Speaker 1
What do you think?

00:35:08 Speaker 2
No, just simply no. Like.

00:35:10 Speaker 1
Yeah. I mean, there’s people doing half as much as me and they still can’t even like.

00:35:14 Speaker 1
Get anywhere near that.

00:35:15 Speaker 2
Yeah, exactly. And then it’s kind of like if you’re not saying you are, but then if you’re sitting there, you know you’re taking tally of all those things.

00:35:22 Speaker 2
And then you go. No, I should be hitting a 250K deadlift. It’s like, why? Why do you think that? What?

00:35:29 Speaker 2
You know, like as much as, as much as we.

00:35:34 Speaker 2
Love the gym? We you know, we exercise to feel better. Do better have a better life.

00:35:41 Speaker 2
It’s not the only thing. Yeah, you know.

00:35:42 Speaker 1
That’s that’s also the transition. I’ve been in my head.

00:35:45 Speaker 1
Like I’m transitioning to like I’m trying to be.

00:35:48 Speaker 1
Healthy. Yeah. Now it’s not, it’s.

00:35:50 Speaker 2
Well, yeah, even.

00:35:51 Speaker 1
Not much about.

00:35:52 Speaker 2
The numbers? Yeah, and even me at, you know, 26, because I definitely need to do more with.

00:35:58 Speaker 2
My recovery and stuff like that, but even me now I’m kind of thinking.

00:36:03 Speaker 2
It’s probably down to some inconsistency at times, but when I’m pushing for those PB’s and testing week all the time trying to add 1020 kilos and stuff like that, it’s like adding going for a one Rep dead lift.

00:36:15 Speaker 2
Even if I add 510 kilos, yeah, I’m stoked on the day. It’s a new PB. Everything’s sick. Then my back might be ****** for three.

00:36:22 Speaker 2
Or four days.

00:36:23 Speaker 2
Well, and then I might have tight hamstrings for a week and so I kind of I’m having the realisation now it’s like OK, maybe I need to start thinking about training for longevity.

00:36:31 Speaker 2
Now, like, not just training.

00:36:34 Speaker 2
For the ego to have the bigger lifts and and and then it’s also the question of who do you want the bigger lifts for? Is it for you versus?

00:36:40 Speaker 2
You. Or is it you because.

00:36:41 Speaker 1
You’re trying to impress gods. That’s the reality.

00:36:42 Speaker 2
Or is it? Yeah. Is it? Yeah. Or is it because you wanna say the, you know, the next bloke you see at a commercial gym or one of the dudes that you know, your gym bro? Yeah, I’d. I’d do the 250 minutes. Yeah, I’ll bench that.

00:36:51 Speaker 1
Yeah, I’m doing that.

00:36:54 Speaker 1
I think in testing like I’m just gonna go in and just like have a go, like no expectations. I’m not gonna like absolutely Max out and trash myself and then like.

00:37:00 Speaker 2
I’m gonna do.

00:37:01 Speaker 1
That’s it. Like it just is what?

00:37:04 Speaker 2
It is, yeah, I mean.

00:37:05 Speaker 2
And I’d I’ve got no expectations for testing like I probably won’t even get anywhere near Max for testing. Maybe I’ve missed like the last three for different reasons, different injuries and stuff like that. But then that’s another reason why I’ve thought about the longevity thing and even just.

00:37:20 Speaker 2
Recovery and how I can do that better as opposed?

00:37:23 Speaker 2
To just.

00:37:24 Speaker 2
Focusing on the training aspect is because I’ll pick up an injury and it’s not just an injury that you know, I’ve pulled a pulled a hamstring will be over in a few days.

00:37:32 Speaker 1
It’s not working.

00:37:32 Speaker 1
Off, I reckon you trained too hard.

00:37:34 Speaker 1
Probably like the intensity thing we’ll talk about.

00:37:37 Speaker 1
Before, I think you just need to tone it down.

00:37:39 Speaker 1
Yeah, just do 10 by three like ID.

00:37:42 Speaker 1
For squats and then just.

00:37:43 Speaker 1
Like ramp up.

00:37:44 Speaker 2
From, yeah, but then again, I guess you’re always comparing like you know the the front squat that I mentioned earlier, that was 18 months ago.

00:37:51 Speaker 1
Yeah, but you can’t anchor you off your.

00:37:52 Speaker 2
Highs. No, but you know. And that’s a good lesson to learn.

00:37:55 Speaker 2
But I know I’m not alone in doing that, and I know it’s quite a common thing. You anchor off your eyes, you anchor off your.

00:38:04 Speaker 2
Dilute one Rep Max the top that you’ve ever hit, but then coming back to the lifestyle thing is lifestyles.

00:38:10 Speaker 2
Change your life changes. Things happen, things change. You get a different job, you get a different partner, you start getting dogs into the picture or children or, you know, something goes on with an unwell family member.

00:38:24 Speaker 2
And just all you know, all the, there’s thousands of different factors that are impacting it, but it’s like.

00:38:30 Speaker 2
You think about the time I think about the time when I hit that front squat and the person I was then it’s different, it’s different.

00:38:37 Speaker 2
I was it was literally just all training, all training, nothing else. And it’s like you can do that for a certain period of time, but then it’s that’s not you got a life. It’s not sustainable because you’re all training, you’re going to neglect relationships, you neglect relationships, something else happens.

00:38:47 Speaker 1
You got a life, yeah.

00:38:56 Speaker 1
It’s hard to keep all the balls in the air at the same time. Relationship family making money, you know.

00:39:01 Speaker 2
Yeah. And it’s and that’s when it, yeah, I guess the comes down, it’s cliche, but you just gotta do your best. That’s it, you.

00:39:07 Speaker 1
Yeah, and it’s cliche as.

00:39:09 Speaker 2
**** yeah, it’s very cliche, but you know.

00:39:11 Speaker 1
I take my hat off you.

00:39:13 Speaker 2
Kids. Yeah, man.

00:39:14 Speaker 1
I don’t have kids. I couldn’t even.

00:39:16 Speaker 1
Imagine how hard it is.

00:39:17 Speaker 2
That that was something that ****** with me for a long time, and it still does when I’m around the gym is we’ve got at Helix.

00:39:26 Speaker 2
So many awesome moms and dads that they get it done, they get it done and they go hard and they’re lifting.

00:39:35 Speaker 2
Heavy for them and they’re hitting PB’s and I’m kind of like I’m there sometimes whinging about a *******.

00:39:41 Speaker 2
Set or a rap or.

00:39:43 Speaker 2
You know, being tired or being exhausted and but the comparison I make is like, man, they’ve got kids, you know, they’ve got kids or they’re running their own business or they’re doing this and that. And I know that they’re different people and they live in different lives, but it’s kind of like.

00:39:58 Speaker 2
Who am I to say I’m ******* tired? Who? Like they’re ******* exhausted. They’ve got a newborn baby. They’ve been up all night and they’re still showing up.

00:40:06 Speaker 2
What the **** is my excuse? That’s like.

00:40:08 Speaker 2
That’s where I come.

00:40:09 Speaker 2
From yeah, it’s like be better, but it’s like, you know.

00:40:13 Speaker 2
So that, yeah, it’s funny you bring that up, cause I’ve thought about that a lot. You.

00:40:16 Speaker 2
You know.

00:40:18 Speaker 2
The the whole parent thing and yeah.

00:40:19 Speaker 1
I take that up. I can’t relate cause I don’t have kids, but I know it would be way harder than now.

00:40:24 Speaker 1
Steph and I, we’ve been talking about like when we’re gonna have kids and like, you know, a couple of years away still.

00:40:28 Speaker 1
But we were like.

00:40:29 Speaker 1
We can’t get.

00:40:30 Speaker 1
Up and.

00:40:30 Speaker 1
Go to the gym together. Yeah, like someone.

00:40:32 Speaker 1
You you gotta.

00:40:33 Speaker 2
Else, yeah, unless.

00:40:33 Speaker 2
You bring the kid unless you bring the kid to the gym, but then?

00:40:34 Speaker 1
We’ve gotta take turns.

00:40:36 Speaker 1
Yeah, but like that kills the vibe. You know, no one wants a.

00:40:38 Speaker 2
Yeah, and but then the decibels, the decibels that the drum and bass is blasting at.

00:40:39 Speaker 1
Kid in there, right? Yeah, yeah.

00:40:43 Speaker 1
Yes, it’s not good for the kid.

00:40:46 Speaker 1
And I thought like.

00:40:46 Speaker 1
Everything changes like all of a sudden my training volume halves or I’m gonna have to go opposite days and afternoons and, like, set up my lifestyle little. Yeah, differently like. Yeah.

00:40:54 Speaker 1
Changes from there, so I remember like there was like, Stewie and Alicia. They’re like, yeah, we trained 3 * a week each.

00:41:01 Speaker 1
And I was.

00:41:01 Speaker 1
Like ******* in.

00:41:02 Speaker 1
My head and now I’m like ****, they’ve got a.

00:41:03 Speaker 1
And now?

00:41:05 Speaker 1
Kid man like.

00:41:06 Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. Someone’s gonna look after the kid.

00:41:09 Speaker 2
Yeah, I know. And you know and that that becomes your you.

00:41:12 Speaker 2
Know well, typically for me, single male, whatever else.

00:41:16 Speaker 2
Like if I want to prioritise gym and I want that to be on my #1 priority. Easy done.

00:41:22 Speaker 2
You know, but you and Steph with businesses and with your dogs and that sort of thing is you’re accountable for other people.

00:41:28 Speaker 2
So something else has to take priority over the gym and you know all the all the parents at the gym and at Helix with kids like.

00:41:35 Speaker 2
Your kids aren’t gonna be any lower than #1 on your.

00:41:38 Speaker 2
Priority List no worry, you can’t put them.

00:41:40 Speaker 1
In a cage? No.

00:41:42 Speaker 1
Although I wish.

00:41:43 Speaker 1
Yeah, that’d be pretty good. I’d even put my dogs. OK, well, learn, kids. I feel like I’m gonna love my dogs.

00:41:48 Speaker 1
More than my kids.

00:41:49 Speaker 2
I don’t know. I don’t know.

00:41:51 Speaker 1
I love my dogs.

00:41:52 Speaker 2
Love. Yeah, but I think you’ll love your kids.

00:41:55 Speaker 1
As well, one day Speaking of kids and testosterone.

00:42:01 Speaker 1
I’ve seen a lot of propaganda around this that like men should have lower testosterone because it’s a danger to society.

00:42:11 Speaker 1
Having manly men and.

00:42:12 Speaker 1
There’s this big push. I feel like there’s a.

00:42:15 Speaker 1
Big push against men at the moment like.

00:42:19 Speaker 1
There’s a big push against.

00:42:21 Speaker 1
You know, there was International Women’s Day recently and from what I hear, it turned into international bash men.

00:42:27 Speaker 1
Like they just got the stage and they were just beating on dudes.

00:42:30 Speaker 1
And basically saying all dudes are *****.

00:42:33 Speaker 1
Yeah, whatnot. And then, like, from what I’m seeing on Twitter is where I’m getting my information from. There’s like a lot of, like, dudes should have low testosterone because they’re more Placid and it’s going to be better for the environment.

00:42:45 Speaker 1
And we don’t want aggressive dudes out.

00:42:46 Speaker 1
There and we want more like.

00:42:48 Speaker 1
Feminine men and you know, yada yada.

00:42:51 Speaker 1
And then my question is to you.

00:42:53 Speaker 1
Is like would low testosterone, low testosterone?

00:42:56 Speaker 1
Be a problem.

00:42:58 Speaker 1
In society, if every dude had low testosterone.

00:42:59 Speaker 2
Yes, I think it.

00:43:01 Speaker 2
Is a problem.

00:43:02 Speaker 2
100% I think it’s already.

00:43:03 Speaker 2
Happening. Yeah, like I, I can’t. I can’t recall the.

00:43:07 Speaker 2
Podcast I was listening to. It’s probably.

00:43:09 Speaker 1
Probably probably mine.

00:43:09 Speaker 2
Joe Rogan, or diary of a Co. It could even been yours, but it was like they were comparing previous generations, particularly generations that you know around during the world wars and stuff like that. And on average the testosterone levels are just like plummeting.

00:43:24 Speaker 1
Half half in 80 years or something.

00:43:24 Speaker 2
And it’s yeah, it’s ridiculous. But and it I I think a lot of those arguments that if one of them that made me chuckle was like, oh, be more environmentally friendly with low testosterone men.

00:43:35 Speaker 1
Miss those round, yeah.

00:43:36 Speaker 2
I don’t know, I just said, but like what? Sorry, what, like that makes no sense to me, but it’s like.

00:43:42 Speaker 1
There’d be less racism.

00:43:44 Speaker 1
Yeah, but lower class matter, bro. Black lives matter.

00:43:47 Speaker 2
But like low testosterone is like.

00:43:50 Speaker 2
That is so detrimental to hands.

00:43:52 Speaker 1
Health man.

00:43:53 Speaker 2
Yeah. And I’ve been meaning to get mine tested for a while. Mine. I’m a bit of a hypochondriac. I’m sure mine’s probably normal, but it’s like.

00:44:01 Speaker 1
Yeah, but normal.

00:44:02 Speaker 2
Yeah. What’s normal? Yeah. Yeah. And what? What should it be? At what’s optimal? Yeah. You know, because you go get a blood test and they’re saying, oh, yeah, everything’s normal. It’s like, yeah, but what’s optimal you you compare. You’re giving me normal and comparing it to.

00:44:03 Speaker 1
Low compared to.

00:44:15 Speaker 2
The average it’s like the average doesn’t train. The average doesn’t isn’t as active as I am.

00:44:21 Speaker 2
You know what is optimal sort of thing, but like low testosterone, it’s a it’s a tough cycle. I’ve I’ve worried about mine because the number one.

00:44:31 Speaker 2
Detrimental thing to testosterone levels in men is lack of sleep, stress and stress.

00:44:37 Speaker 2
And I can be prone to stress and I know that I get less sleep than I probably should. And it’s kind of like.

00:44:44 Speaker 2
OK. Well, then, how’s that affecting my testosterone? But then that affects everything. It affects your emotional regulation how you behave.

00:44:50 Speaker 2
It affects how you train, it affects your recovery, recovery, your diet, your hunger cues, everything like it, literally.

00:44:57 Speaker 2
Like everything, it is the IT is. It is like the one biggest telltale sign for men’s health, and it’s like.

00:45:04 Speaker 2
I I spoke to a couple of the girls at the gym.

00:45:09 Speaker 2
You know, when they, you know, they have their their cycles and they train on their cycles and stuff like that. And I said as as.

00:45:17 Speaker 2
Super tough as that is.

00:45:20 Speaker 2
You know, I I’ve got a friend who she coaches a lot of other PT’s and a lot of clients around the menstrual menstrual cycle and stuff like that.

00:45:29 Speaker 2
And she says it’s your monthly report card for your health. Like, like we we don’t have a report card.

00:45:36 Speaker 2
We don’t even we don’t even know if that. Yeah, like, that’s it. And it’s like, but I think, yeah, low testosterone.

00:45:36 Speaker 1
Yes. Yeah, ***** in the morning.

00:45:44 Speaker 2
Like I wanna get mine checked just to see where it’s at. And I think it’s probably a wise.

00:45:48 Speaker 2
Thing for a lot of men, or of or all men to get it regularly.

00:45:53 Speaker 2
Checked, even if it is normal if.

00:45:54 Speaker 2
It’s normal, cool. Go about your day if it’s.

00:45:57 Speaker 2
Normal but not optimal. You want it optimal.

00:45:59 Speaker 2
Do what you need to do, but if you go and you find out it’s low, it could explain a lot.

00:46:05 Speaker 2
Yeah. And then it’s like, OK, well then, if I get that back up to where it should be, how much better?

00:46:09 Speaker 2
Can my life?

00:46:10 Speaker 2
Be but then.

00:46:12 Speaker 2
You know the other point you made as well about.

00:46:15 Speaker 2
Low testosterone. You know we want more low testosterone men and Placid man and you know, subdues them and that sort of thing I’m like.

00:46:23 Speaker 2
My argument is if a healthy testosterone.

00:46:27 Speaker 2
Makes for better emotional regulation and makes for better men actually being what a man should be.

00:46:34 Speaker 2
You know, it doesn’t. High testosterone doesn’t just automatically mean you’re a ******* turbo, yeah.

00:46:41 Speaker 1
I think there is. I think it’s one thing that’s wrong with society at the moment is there’s too much like female motion out there, especially coming from.

00:46:50 Speaker 1
Black female dudes like I think there has to be in the universe has to be a balance of testosterone and oestrogen and masculine energy and feminine energy.

00:46:59 Speaker 1
I feel like if we get too much feminine energy not going to be a good thing for society as a whole, and I think there needs to be.

00:47:06 Speaker 1
More stronger men.

00:47:08 Speaker 1
Out there that can lift the standard and.

00:47:10 Speaker 1
And not combat, but like equal out all.

00:47:12 Speaker 2
This. Yeah, but imagine imagine you pitted men of today’s day and age with, like, even World War, two era men, or.

00:47:13 Speaker 1
Chairman and chief.

00:47:20 Speaker 2
Yeah, if you go.

00:47:20 Speaker 1
I’ll probably take him in.

00:47:20 Speaker 2
If you.

00:47:20 Speaker 2
Wanna if you wanna go. If you wanna go back.

00:47:21 Speaker 1
A fight, but not not toughness.

00:47:25 Speaker 2
Rome, Ancient Rome or something? You know what I mean? Like.

00:47:26 Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, we get funked up.

00:47:28 Speaker 2
Get destroyed.

00:47:30 Speaker 1
Yeah, I like. I’m worried at where this is.

00:47:33 Speaker 1
Going to it’s just getting more feminine.

00:47:36 Speaker 2
But yeah, I was. I was surprised to hear that. That’s that’s like a thing that’s going on. Like they want low testosterone matter.

00:47:44 Speaker 1
Yeah. The actively advertising for it and vilifying against guys with high testosterone at the moment on Twitter.

00:47:52 Speaker 1
Bill Gates has talked about it a couple of times on heaps.

00:47:54 Speaker 1
Of different things.

00:47:55 Speaker 1
**** I I learned about lab testing the other day. So did you know lab testing you?

00:48:00 Speaker 1
The ranges you’ve got on lab tests? Yeah, they’re made up by the lab.

00:48:06 Speaker 1
By doing an average of the staff that work for the lab, the staff, yeah.

00:48:12 Speaker 2
******* hell, I thought it would just be like a an average of the people.


No, it’s that’s.

00:48:17 Speaker 2
That they test no.

00:48:18 Speaker 1
And it’s different between every place.

00:48:20 Speaker 1
**** dude, I heard that the other.

00:48:23 Speaker 1
Day I was.

00:48:23 Speaker 1
Tripping so like they’re the ranges you see on like thyroids and testosterone and oestrogen.

00:48:28 Speaker 1
And stress all modes and all those things. They’re just averages of what they made up or the averages of the staff when they first created.

00:48:36 Speaker 1
The clinic if.

00:48:36 Speaker 2
That’s true everywhere. That’s ******* crazy. Even if that’s true.

00:48:39 Speaker 1
Yeah. And then the doctors are treating you for it. ****.

00:48:42 Speaker 1
Like this made up range.

00:48:44 Speaker 2
Even if that’s only in true in some places and not others, the places are. That’s true. And that’s ******. Yeah, that is really ******.

00:48:50 Speaker 1
For the medical system is ******.

00:48:52 Speaker 2
Like what? If yeah, you know, obviously the first thing that comes to mind is a hypothetical of.

00:48:58 Speaker 2
Everyone that they’ve that works in the lab and tested in the lab, sitting down all day at the site entry, they’re not active.

00:49:05 Speaker 2
And they’re forming the baselines. Yeah, all the ranges for what’s healthy and what’s not.


Right, you got bad.

00:49:09 Speaker 1
Bad tests compared to those dudes.

00:49:12 Speaker 1
Yes, dudes are sitting in a chair all day, so let’s play out a scenario in our heads about testosterone.

00:49:18 Speaker 1
So imagine we got, say 140 year old dudes with low testosterone and you just start jabbing them just.

00:49:25 Speaker 1
Just strike testosterone replacement therapy. What kind of, like, positive effect do you think that would have on the local society?

00:49:34 Speaker 2
They have lots of positive effects, they have more energy, they have more energy to show up for themselves, they have more energy to show up for their families, people around them.

00:49:44 Speaker 2
They’ll sleep better, recover better. You know, the better sleep you get, the less of a ****.

00:49:49 Speaker 2
You are.

00:49:53 Speaker 2
You’d probably be more you when you feel better.

00:49:58 Speaker 2
And when you feel good.

00:50:00 Speaker 2
You’re more gonna choose healthier options than you are gonna choose. Not so. Healthy options. Yeah, like when you feel ****. You’ve not had a lot of sleep. Ohh. Just get the ******* maccas. It’s easy.

00:50:10 Speaker 2
If you’ve had a good sleep, you’re feeling good about yourself. You’ve gone and done some training. I’m going to choose the healthier option.

00:50:17 Speaker 2
And when you you take 100 people, you inject them into TRT and you just all of a sudden get a healthier group of a.

00:50:23 Speaker 2
100 people the.

00:50:24 Speaker 2
The flow on effects of that, it’s like a ripple effect.

00:50:27 Speaker 2
I think you’re.

00:50:27 Speaker 2
Going to you know it will affect if they’re. If they’re all affecting.

00:50:30 Speaker 2
And people in their circle.

00:50:33 Speaker 2
From having actually healthy levels of testosterone, then you’ve injected 100 people, but you’ve affected upwards of 1000 positively.

00:50:42 Speaker 1
Yeah, I met her at a dude, came to the gym for a console and he was on TRT, approved like 12 months ago. Let’s call him Jim. That’s not his.

00:50:51 Speaker 1
Real name, but I won’t get.

00:50:52 Speaker 1
Your time.

00:50:54 Speaker 1
Jim, not GY.

00:50:57 Speaker 1
GMI would sometimes felt like that, like the actual.

00:51:00 Speaker 1
So and then he was just like, yeah, I’m on TRT like doctor prescription. And I was like, I’m so interested.

00:51:00 Speaker 2
Hey, Jim.

00:51:06 Speaker 1
I was like, how does it work? Like what happens like what the effects? And he said he was, yes. Inject every 10 days and he gets his wife to do it. He.

00:51:14 Speaker 1
Hates needles.

00:51:16 Speaker 1
And he was like, he reckons, he was like a 50%.

00:51:20 Speaker 1
Energy boost, like from day to day.

00:51:23 Speaker 1
Like one day the next day, he reckons he felt like 50% better, like he was like a new person.

00:51:27 Speaker 1
Yeah. Wow. And he’s like, recovery got better. Like, more energy throughout the days. Like he was, like, libido was like, 10. Axed. Sleep was better. Like skin was better. Nails like all his health ones went up. And this was like, literally.

00:51:43 Speaker 1
Like night and day for him, like from the next.

00:51:45 Speaker 1
The next, but I guess the con of it, which is like you have to ******* hit.

00:51:49 Speaker 1
The needle forever.

00:51:52 Speaker 1
After that, there’s no like off.

00:51:54 Speaker 2
Yeah, 10 days, yeah.

00:51:56 Speaker 1
That’s a long time. Not that I.

00:51:58 Speaker 2
Can recite them off the top of my head, but there’s probably some more natural.

00:52:01 Speaker 2
Ways to. I mean that’s the quick and fast option, but I guess.

00:52:05 Speaker 2
If we’re.

00:52:07 Speaker 2
We’re pointing pointing figures or we’re being alarmed by the the medical industry in terms of the lab averages and stuff like that, it’s like.

00:52:15 Speaker 2
Do you want the medical industry giving you the TRT to make it?

00:52:18 Speaker 2
Better, or at least you know.

00:52:20 Speaker 1
It’s a good trip.

00:52:20 Speaker 2
Yeah. Or do you kind of do some research on the more holistic approaches, you know, like, I’m not saying it’s the.

00:52:29 Speaker 2
The answer, and it’s pretty pretty contentious to bring this up, but like living you.

00:52:33 Speaker 2
Know, yeah.

00:52:33 Speaker 2
Yeah, just eating more meat. Yeah. More organs. Yeah, he was on so much ****, 10s.

00:52:36 Speaker 1
The dude was online.

00:52:38 Speaker 1
Like 10/10/10? Steroids like, yeah, not just.

00:52:41 Speaker 1
Test. Yeah, like the test was.

00:52:42 Speaker 1
Like the cute like like.

00:52:43 Speaker 2
I know he’s a yeah, I know. He’s a lot older, but.

00:52:47 Speaker 2
I don’t know. I think with.

00:52:48 Speaker 1
He’s like 50 something.

00:52:49 Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. I think with what he’s with, what he’s eating in his his diet it, you know, I mean, he’s supposedly taking himself off everything.

00:52:57 Speaker 1
He doesn’t look that different.

00:52:59 Speaker 2
No, but because he’s already got the benefits from being on all the stuff, right? But you know, I think even if he was never.

00:53:04 Speaker 2
On it, if you took his testosterone levels and then took testosterone from say me.

00:53:10 Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.

00:53:11 Speaker 2
Someone who trains.

00:53:12 Speaker 1
Some little.

00:53:13 Speaker 2
Pulls. Ohh cheers, but it’ll probably be a lot higher, right? Yeah, because of the lifestyle choices that he’s making.

00:53:19 Speaker 1
Yeah, he’s stunning his balls and he.

00:53:21 Speaker 2
But eating a lot more meat, eating organs and stuff like I had a conversation the other week. I think it might have been with.


Balls, yeah.

00:53:28 Speaker 2
My parents or something like that, but I.

00:53:29 Speaker 1
I’ll cheque them out.

00:53:29 Speaker 2
Was saying.

00:53:30 Speaker 2
I was saying it’s like it was a lot more common in previous generations to have meals with organs in them, like liver and bacon and chicken heart and that sort of thing. And it’s like, that’s probably one thing that’s kind of drifted out of society.

00:53:47 Speaker 2
It’s probably not that, you know, I know I should do it and I don’t do it as often as I do, but something that should probably come back.

00:53:54 Speaker 2
Is eating, you know, not just consuming red meat and good meat and organic meat, but like organs as well.

00:54:04 Speaker 1
**** that though, though you taste them things they ******* terrible.

00:54:06 Speaker 2
Which ones just depends. I like liver, liver and Bacon’s good. When?

00:54:11 Speaker 2
It’s fried up.

00:54:12 Speaker 2
It’s good.

00:54:13 Speaker 2
Yeah, oil in a pan. Oil up fried up.

00:54:14 Speaker 1
Yeah. Or oil? Come on. That can’t be like, can’t be great for you. I just looked up his Instagram. He’s still huge. Yeah. You don’t look any.

00:54:21 Speaker 2
Different. Yeah, and I.

00:54:23 Speaker 1
I don’t know.

00:54:24 Speaker 2

00:54:25 Speaker 2
I thought you looked.

00:54:26 Speaker 2
A bit skinnier, but I could be way wrong. Where’s Lily king?

00:54:30 Speaker 1
Dude is ******* huge.

00:54:33 Speaker 2
1.8 million. I wonder how many followers?

00:54:34 Speaker 2
He lost well his following.

00:54:36 Speaker 1
Hasn’t changed. It’s been 1.8 since the whole scandal dropped.

00:54:40 Speaker 2
Yeah, he’s still ******* massive.

00:54:42 Speaker 1
Yeah, dude, it’s a unit.

00:54:44 Speaker 2
CEO of ancestral tenants.

00:54:46 Speaker 1
So I think test like load test is a problem. I know a lot of dudes that do suffer from it and it seems like with our modern lifestyle there’s not much that we can do about it. Well, we definitely can improve it, but I think it’s like the lifestyle.

00:55:00 Speaker 1
The whole of guys that we know in our circles, it’s affecting this from stress to sleep to social media to financial issues to like literally all the issues, what do you think?

00:55:13 Speaker 2
No, I agree. I agree. And it’s kind of it’s something that I want to look into more for myself, but I probably encourage more blokes.

00:55:22 Speaker 2
You know, around us and in our circles and beyond. And whoever listening to, you know, seriously consider as well, there’s probably probably dudes in our circles and dudes listen.

00:55:31 Speaker 2
They’re also sorry there’s not a problem. Yeah, yeah, I’m tired today. Toss, toss, toss.

00:55:33 Speaker 1
You can’t say testosterone. You’re like saying.

00:55:36 Speaker 1
Poster right. Toss. Toss around. Yeah.

00:55:38 Speaker 2
But they probably fine and they don’t have to.

00:55:39 Speaker 1
They’re probably tossing too.

00:55:39 Speaker 2
Worry about it.

00:55:40 Speaker 1
Yeah, that’s that’s the other thing. Toss those running. It’s like the new word for.

00:55:45 Speaker 2
Ranking Ohh man test tossing.

00:55:48 Speaker 1
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00:55:54 Speaker 2
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00:55:57 Speaker 1
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00:56:01 Speaker 1
Have no ******* idea who they’re.

00:56:03 Speaker 2
Yeah. Or they go. They listen to it and they go, oh, that’s great. And then it’s like, OK, we’ll ******* share it then. Yeah, share it and tell me.

00:56:07 Speaker 1
Huh. Cause.

00:56:08 Speaker 1
I want to know these episodes and mostly uneducated opinions get so many lessons and I just want to know who you are. So if you’re there, talk.

00:56:16 Speaker 1
To me, yes, hello.

00:56:18 Speaker 1
Thanks for coming up, Marcus.

00:56:19 Speaker 2
I appreciate it. Oh, good man. Thanks for having me.

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